Barnes Triple shock's?

LongRodMaster · #1 11-03-2009, 08:52 AM

for those of you who load these bullets when you work up your loads for them is it the only load you shoot from that gun?

The reason I ask is I have been trying to load a 53 grain in 223 for the daughters guns and these bullets throw way off from any other load ( 7 1/2" high and 7" right) if I can dial it in it will limit me to only shooting them with out resighting in the gun.

I am trying to find a good deer load for the 223 and am about to give up on the TSX's might try the 45 grains but I have never had any luck with these bullets even in 7mm.

I have played with the seating depth from .30 to .90 off the lands and nothing seems to help. Reduced the load by 5% and it still throws 7 1/2" high and to the right.

CHARLIE · #2 11-03-2009, 09:08 AM

If you are going to deer hunt with that load than that is by far the best bullet money can buy. Yes they shoot in a different place but just zero for the Barnes and be on your way. Went through the same thing you are going through. Here is a icture of a target from last week. Working up a load for the 53 gr. Seems 25.3 Gr. of IMR 4895 is getting better.

Charlie

THE JAMMER · #3 11-03-2009, 10:32 AM

Charlie,

Is that IMR 4895 load with a 2.175 coal??? I'm still trying to get a "deer bullet" to shoot in my colt HBAR. My stag shoots 62 XXX great, but I'm still searching for the colt- either 53 or 62 XXX.

THE JAMMER

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Originally Posted by CHARLIE

If you are going to deer hunt with that load than that is by far the best bullet money can buy. Yes they shoot in a different place but just zero for the Barnes and be on your way. Went through the same thing you are going through. Here is a icture of a target from last week. Working up a load for the 53 gr. Seems 25.3 Gr. of IMR 4895 is getting better.

Charlie

Daddio · #4 11-03-2009, 11:58 AM

Two options as a long shot: If you are shooting double lung shots at minimal range you could try the Barnes 70 GR TSX bullet probably will not be less than 1.5 MOA due to the need for a faster twist but good enough for deer lung shots.

Prior to Barnes I used the Speer 70 Grain Spitser in our youth hunts worked great on double lung shots not a tack driver but plenty accurate for short range kids deer.

Bottom line I would just bite the bullet and not get away from the Barnes TSX we have killed about 40 Management deer in the last several years with a .223 and Barnes TSX none lost yet, Great bullet for deer in .223.
CZ 527, single set Trigger, Barnes Bullet what ever the kids shooting skills are head,neck or just a double lung, dead every time.The kids have enjoyed practicing tracking skills on the double lung shots, we have had none go over 70 yards and always a good pass thru blood trail.

davidb · #5 11-03-2009, 12:02 PM

You should re-read the post Charlie started it has some good advice on the Barnes.

I have not found them finicky in the least, but if I have a fussy rifle it usually gets a new barrel pretty quick. I have had them shoot very closely to other loads with little to no load juggling.

In general if you shoot Barnes or any copper bullet best not to mix it with gilded metal jacketed bullets. The harder gilded metal fouling will aggravate the copper fouling to the point neither load will shoot. This can happen in as few as 10 rounds with a rough barrel or a 100 with a smooth and uniform one.

Is yours a 1-12 ROT? If so the Noslers are usually easy to get to shoot well.

LongRodMaster · #6 11-03-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by davidb

You should re-read the post Charlie started it has some good advice on the Barnes.

I have not found them finicky in the least, but if I have a fussy rifle it usually gets a new barrel pretty quick. I have had them shoot very closely to other loads with little to no load juggling.

In general if you shoot Barnes or any copper bullet best not to mix it with gilded metal jacketed bullets. The harder gilded metal fouling will aggravate the copper fouling to the point neither load will shoot. This can happen in as few as 10 rounds with a rough barrel or a 100 with a smooth and uniform one.

Is yours a 1-12 ROT? If so the Noslers are usually easy to get to shoot well.

Its not the gun. I have cleaned the barrel with to the point that i asure you is cleaner than any eating surface I have (this includes copper fouling) The barrel is fine as it shoots sub 1/2" groups @100yds all day with the BT's i have loaded for it and sub 1" with a couple different factory loads. The barrel is a 1-12.

I could handle it placing the bullets a couple inches off but we are talking 7 to 8" high and to the right. This alone scares me away from them. I can live with 1 to 1.25" groups.

THE JAMMER · #7 11-03-2009, 06:53 PM

I can say that probably every load, caliber, whatever I have reloaded for, that the barnes have a significantly different point of impact than the other bullets I've reloaded for that gun. If, however, that's the bullet you're going to use most of the time, so what???? Just adjust your scope to that poi, and make notes, mental and written, what the difference is for other bullets you might shoot. Then if you happen to shoot those other bullets, do your 3 right, 4 up or whatever on your scope, and if you have a decent scope, you probably won't even have to go to the range- for hunting anyway.

THE JAMMER

CHARLIE · #8 11-03-2009, 08:35 PM

Jammer

the COL was 2.175 on the best group.

Longrange master

And yes Barnes will be way off of impact of other bullets but the will shoot. Heck the same weight Barnes is way longer than other bullets because thay have no lead. So everything is different except the Barnes will always perform. When ever you pull the trigger you never have to worry about exansion and penetration or whatever.

Charlie

LongRodMaster · #9 11-03-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by THE JAMMER

I can say that probably every load, caliber, whatever I have reloaded for, that the barnes have a significantly different point of impact than the other bullets I've reloaded for that gun. If, however, that's the bullet you're going to use most of the time, so what???? Just adjust your scope to that poi, and make notes, mental and written, what the difference is for other bullets you might shoot. Then if you happen to shoot those other bullets, do your 3 right, 4 up or whatever on your scope, and if you have a decent scope, you probably won't even have to go to the range- for hunting anyway.

THE JAMMER

Like i said earlier I can deal with a a point of impact being different but as far as adjusting the scope your talking 30 clicks down and 30 clicks left i dont care what scope you have I wouldnt feel comfortable shooting it at game with adjustments that severe.

Charlie thanks for all the info and help you have offered. Whats your take on the Game king hollow points in 55 grain?

CHARLIE · #10 11-04-2009, 12:25 AM

LongRodMaster

Well I would think it is as most other 223 caliber bullets it will not do the job as far as deer hunting. You need a bullet that will perform whenever you pull the trigger. I tried most every bullet for years trying to find a bullet that I could hunt deer with in my 223. As you know bullets in the larger caliber really do not make much difference because there is so much lead and it will get the job done. In the smaller caliber performance is critical. If you want performance when shooting paper it makes no difference but with deer its extremely critical. So far the Barnes never fails. Yes, to me they are difficult to make shoot but in the long run you are much better off. Good luck. My last run to the range the IMR4895 and the 53 Gr. Barnes shot well. I am going back to the range tomorrow with a few little changes. I will let you know how it turns out.

Charlie