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Old 01-04-2017, 12:59 PM   #1
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tuna Assist Hooks

I've noticed Kil Song and others rigging their Jigs with assist hooks on the bottom of the jig only....I'm wondering why? Better for big fish? I'm rigging up for a floater trip in the GOM late jan. I've caught tons of yft on swimbaits and poppers, chunking too, but have never had much luck with the them on jigs...thats one of my goals on this trip. Any advice is much appreciated !

so far what I've learned is slower jigging, fish upper water column more, wider slower jigs that hang in the strike zone longer......models?
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We catch most of our Yellowfin at night on 100 gm and 170 gm Flat Fall jigs. We have caught them on both jigs the glow in the dark and sometimes with jigs that do not glow. YFT will hit Flat Fall jigs at night but so will the Blackfin. Here are some photos taken at night from Tuna taken on Striker Tackle jigs. All of these photos are from Venice, LA at the floaters and drill ships.

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Your 100 G flat fall come with a split ring at the eye end but the 170 G do not have a split ring at the eye end. I would assume that with the split ring being the weakest link, you chose not to add them to the 170 G and up jigs? What is pound test of the split rings that you use?

Having the assist hooks at the eye end allows your line and the hooks to both be on the solid ring, and the split ring only supports the weight of the jig. Is the hook up ratio that much higher with the hooks at the bottom to make giving up a stronger link to the fish worthwhile?
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Well, today I experienced a good reason to have the assist hooks at the bottom of a flat fall jig. I fished 2 wrecks (235 ft and 340 ft) that I had jig "bite offs" in the past. This time I was using Striker Jigs with the hooks at the bottom. Brought home 1 Blackfin Tuna and had the assist hooks bitten off of 2 of their 170 G jigs....... but I didn't lose the jigs! Having the assist hooks farther from your main line does save some jig from bite offs. This is in Florida.... don't know if it was Kings, Sharks, or Cuda.
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I like the look of the flat fall Jigs - I have mostly used shimano butterfly jigs in the past......suggesting the 100 gram suprises me but thinking about it, the lighter jig gives you a better fall action. StrikerTackle - what would you say your average depth is for your yellowfin jig bite?
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I have litterally a couple hundred verticle jigs... sort of a Jig-a-Halic I guess you could say.

But, I bought my first flat fall about a year ago, and after that one trip where I SKEPTICALLY used it... I have a mess of'm now. Many from the above company.

I Do use the hooks that come on them, but, I also make my own for when the replacement assist are needed (bite offs)

I'll give you one example.... last summer, a friend called and asked if I would deck for him for a couple guys, that had bought a trip to go fish'n with him to raise money for some sort of charity thing...

I had about half dozen of these, we also had bait of 2 or 3 kinds. These two executive types that no nothing about Offshore fish had NEVER if I remember right even gone offshore before, much less jig.

I gave them both about 3-4 minutes of demonstration and a bit of coaching, and they caught fish till they said "thats enough, my arms are give out"...
took another first timer, the next trip that was a 19 yr old youngster.... gave him one jig and a jigg'n pole, he went to town. he now has his own boat, own rods, and some flat fall jigs... that was about 7 months ago..

They work...


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Your 100 G flat fall come with a split ring at the eye end but the 170 G do not have a split ring at the eye end. I would assume that with the split ring being the weakest link, you chose not to add them to the 170 G and up jigs? What is pound test of the split rings that you use?



For some reason when we got batch of these jigs from the factory they all had split rings at the top. I never use a split ring at the top. We just took them off. Some people we sold them to kept them on.

Having the assist hooks at the eye end allows your line and the hooks to both be on the solid ring, and the split ring only supports the weight of the jig. Is the hook up ratio that much higher with the hooks at the bottom to make giving up a stronger link to the fish worthwhile?
Some guys do switch the hooks to the eye end. I think its just a personal preference.

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Well, today I experienced a good reason to have the assist hooks at the bottom of a flat fall jig. I fished 2 wrecks (235 ft and 340 ft) that I had jig "bite offs" in the past. This time I was using Striker Jigs with the hooks at the bottom. Brought home 1 Blackfin Tuna and had the assist hooks bitten off of 2 of their 170 G jigs....... but I didn't lose the jigs! Having the assist hooks farther from your main line does save some jig from bite offs. This is in Florida.... don't know if it was Kings, Sharks, or Cuda.
That happens sometimes. Wahoo will hit these jigs also, but the Kings love them. I have seen some guys rig the hooks with 7 strand wire to prevent bite offs.

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I like the look of the flat fall Jigs - I have mostly used shimano butterfly jigs in the past......suggesting the 100 gram suprises me but thinking about it, the lighter jig gives you a better fall action. StrikerTackle - what would you say your average depth is for your yellowfin jig bite?
I find the Yellowfin hit the 100 gram jig better at night. The 100 jigs falls slower which means it stays in the strike zone longer. I would say the average bite would be 100ft-150ft. It really just depends where they holding in the water column.


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I have litterally a couple hundred verticle jigs... sort of a Jig-a-Halic I guess you could say.

But, I bought my first flat fall about a year ago, and after that one trip where I SKEPTICALLY used it... I have a mess of'm now. Many from the above company.

I Do use the hooks that come on them, but, I also make my own for when the replacement assist are needed (bite offs)

I'll give you one example.... last summer, a friend called and asked if I would deck for him for a couple guys, that had bought a trip to go fish'n with him to raise money for some sort of charity thing...

I had about half dozen of these, we also had bait of 2 or 3 kinds. These two executive types that no nothing about Offshore fish had NEVER if I remember right even gone offshore before, much less jig.

I gave them both about 3-4 minutes of demonstration and a bit of coaching, and they caught fish till they said "thats enough, my arms are give out"...
took another first timer, the next trip that was a 19 yr old youngster.... gave him one jig and a jigg'n pole, he went to town. he now has his own boat, own rods, and some flat fall jigs... that was about 7 months ago..

They work...


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Awesome story. I want to thank all you guys for the business. I really appreciate it.
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it has been so long since i fished that things are so different
maybe it's just me
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Here are some additional thoughts on assist hooks. I'm not trying to pass off these thoughts as fact.... but rather my impressions. Definitely chime in if you thoughts are going in a different direction:

I really like the new, shorter assist hooks that Striker is starting to put on their jigs as bottom hooks. You can see the difference in the picture. The 100 G has the shorter Kevlar assist hooks. This keeps the bottom hooks closer to the jig and I think more hook ups in the mouth and not the fishes face. I haven't been able to figure out how to get 170# 7-Strand wire this short yet.

As mentioned in an above post, I've been getting bite off problems. Sometimes just the hooks, and sometimes everything. Given the depth of the wrecks that I was fishing, and the fact that the strikes came 1/2 way up from the wreck, these might have been Wahoo bite offs. The picture below, I have rigged a 170 G Striker with the 170# 7-Strand. I put the assist hook on the bottom end, but will be moving it to the eye end because it is longer than I like for bottom hooks. I will still have to use about 8" to 10" of 90# wire between the main line and the solid ring.

You can see in the picture, that if you rig the wire with 2 crimps (Shown before I put on shrink tube), you can't get the assist hook much shorter. The reason that I'm using 170# wire is that I think that I get stronger crimping this way. I'm using oval crimps. Any thoughts on how to make these differently to get them shorter? The hooks that I used in this picture are the Mustad Big Gun Ultrapoint 8/0

I have found and purchased pre-made wire assist hooks, but they aren't any shorter than my homemade ones.

Hey Hog, will you post up some pictures of the modified assist hooks that you make? The one that you have shown with the Red Snapper looks very interesting, but I couldn't see all of the details.
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Hey Hog, will you post up some pictures of the modified assist hooks that you make? The one that you have shown with the Red Snapper looks very interesting, but I couldn't see all of the details.
I will, just not able to get any photos right now.. I'll post up some maybe this weekend..
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