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Old 02-11-2012, 06:56 AM
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WVU needs help with money for move to Big 12

“@kbohls: Big 12 loans West Virginia $10M to pay $20M Big East exit fees; high B12 source: UWV to repay $5M in annual $1M sums, be forgiven final $5M.”



[CENTER]KBohls is the beat writer for the Austin America Statesman the covers the horns. He is the one that also posted the early information about how Sherman found out he was being fired.


My question is this still to all the Aggie haters out there: If this quote is true from Mr. Bohls, then how is it that anyone can honestly believe that WVU is a better fit for the Big 12 than A&M? They don't have enough money to support their own move to a new conference!
Also, it does make the Big 12 look rather desperate to add a team if they are having to loan a prospective school money just to join their conference doesn't it?

Why can't all you haters just admit it was a business decision for the horns to go into a joint venture with ESPN and it was a business decision for the Ags to move to the SEC?


By the way Dodds put out a letter of some sorts this week ,if I remember correctly, to the longhorn nation that it takes time for these new television networks (LHN) to be accepted by the mass public and that ESPN has done this several times before and they have always ended up being a success. He also mentioned something to the effect of how the LHN was going to be an effective recruiting tool for the horns-kind of ironic since that was supposedly NOT going to be an issue while we were still members of the Big 12.






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Old 02-11-2012, 07:06 AM
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Here is the letter written by Dodds and Plonsky so I don't accused of making things up.

"LHN Update from the Athletics Directors"

Feb. 9, 2012

Since our Longhorn Network (LHN) launch in August, delays in distribution have overshadowed the network's many positive aspects and impact. In order to make LHN successful, we hope our fans understand that ESPN is continuously negotiating with all major television cable and satellite service providers. ESPN has done this before, having previously launched seven other networks, and their professionals are considered television industry leaders.

We ask our fans for their patience and understanding. Distribution will happen, but the business negotiation process is painfully slow. Our coaches and student-athletes are ecstatic with LHN, and they tell us it is helping in recruiting now and will do so in the future.

ESPN is completely devoted to LHN, and the LHN programming is exactly what fans have come to expect from all ESPN products. Such quality high definition programming demands that we show as many events as possible live and in their entirety.

We are grateful for your ongoing loyalty and presence when the Longhorns compete at home and on the road, as we also appreciate those who provide support by following us on television across the country.

Thanks for your continued support,
DeLoss Dodds and Chris Plonsky
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Old 02-11-2012, 08:36 AM
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The loan is to get WVU out of their fight with the Big East and into the Big 12 conference play this year. This really has nothing to do with the Aggies decision to leave.

Missouri is the one that caused this to happen by not staying in the conference through 2012 as originally planned. If Missouri would have stayed through 2012 as agreed and left in 2013, then WVU could have fulfilled their obligation to the Big East by staying there for one more year. Once Missouri jumped early to the SEC, it left the Big 12 with 9 teams and a chance that the TV contracts could be voided as they are based on at least a 10 team conference. Thus the buyout of the Big East gets WVU here a year early and guarantees each school a much better payday through the TV contract by investing $1,000,000 each to the buyout.

The Big 12 will also have buyout money (amount yet to be determined) from A&M and Missouri to help finance this loan.

While I wish we could have all stayed together for traditional rivalries... it has sadly come down to each looking out for their own and the all powerful dollar and it is hard to blame schools for doing what they feel is best for themselves.
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The loan is to get WVU out of their fight with the Big East and into the Big 12 conference play this year. This really has nothing to do with the Aggies decision to leave.

Missouri is the one that caused this to happen by not staying in the conference through 2012 as originally planned. If Missouri would have stayed through 2012 as agreed and left in 2013, then WVU could have fulfilled their obligation to the Big East by staying there for one more year. Once Missouri jumped early to the SEC, it left the Big 12 with 9 teams and a chance that the TV contracts could be voided as they are based on at least a 10 team conference. Thus the buyout of the Big East gets WVU here a year early and guarantees each school a much better payday through the TV contract by investing $1,000,000 each to the buyout.

The Big 12 will also have buyout money (amount yet to be determined) from A&M and Missouri to help finance this loan.

While I wish we could have all stayed together for traditional rivalries... it has sadly come down to each looking out for their own and the all powerful dollar and it is hard to blame schools for doing what they feel is best for themselves.



I would agree fully with all of this. My point in this is that how can anyone sit there and say the Big 12 is better off with TCU and WVU in the conference rather than A&M. They don't bring the wkly avg. attendance combined that we do and are much farther road trips than College Station and WVU is needing help just to get out of their financial predicament in order to move a year early.

I wish all these 80 and up year old rivalries were going to be played still. And yes they are ALL rivalries whether one school or another wants to admit it or not. It is a rivalry with us against you all, us against baylor, us against the horns, etc.

And yes, sadly it has come down to each school looking out for themselves. Baylor did it with the threatened lawsuit, we did it by moving to the SEC and the horns did it by being bought by ESPN with the LHN.

My point is had the horns not gone looking first for their own selfish needs, my belief is that we would not have ever gotten to this point.
If they would have relinquished some of that power they had back from the beginning of the big 12 and let all the schools have some input as to what is good for the Big 12 and not just one school, then the horns would actually have more power today.

Part of being a leader is letting others feel impowered so that they feel like they are an important part of the team. Dodds ego will not let this happen and this is a major reason why NU, CU, A&M and MU have left.

When lower level, but valued employess start to feel disgruntled and cause problems in the business, the best way to address that is to sit down and talk to them and listen and then try to incorporate some of their ideas, rather than just tell them to shut up and do as they are told.

Do that long enough and the business suffers or goes broke.
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Hey 2007 could we get an obsession check here ?

Let it go man. Theres other stuff in life
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Hey 2007 could we get an obsession check here ?

Let it go man. Theres other stuff in life

I just like reminding people how wrong that you and Oslo and the other two horn fans are when you posted **** over two years ago about the first attempt and then all the other stuff that happened last summer.

It just shows how out of touch with reality you really are when the truth starts leaking out after the fact.

I get a kick out of you all because you all like to dish the stuff out and then when the exact opposite thing actually happens these get over it quotes and move on quotes always show up. This only took about 2 minutes to type anyways and I am just browsing the internet tonight after being gone all day today with the wife and kids out in the country, so yea, I did do other stuff allready.
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I just like reminding people how wrong that you and Oslo and the other two horn fans are when you posted **** over two years ago about the first attempt and then all the other stuff that happened last summer.

It just shows how out of touch with reality you really are when the truth starts leaking out after the fact.

I get a kick out of you all because you all like to dish the stuff out and then when the exact opposite thing actually happens these get over it quotes and move on quotes always show up. This only took about 2 minutes to type anyways and I am just browsing the internet tonight after being gone all day today with the wife and kids out in the country, so yea, I did do other stuff allready.
I've entered a 12 step program that centers upon me no longer internet arguing with aggys. Please respect my addiction and refrain from tempting me.

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