UFC 65: Bad Intentions

[scubaru]

Were running behind on this one, but make your picks. Matt Hughes or GSP? Tim Sylvia or Jeff Monson? Not sure if this is how it's gonna happen, but I'm pulling for GSP and the Snowman.

[sumbeech]

Hughes/Monson

GSP is prepared much better from a mental standpoint & I believe he physically is going to be able to keep hughes from taking him down, but I hope hughes will take him somehow.

[shanegair]

I still think hughes wins.

[Wading Mark]

I sincerely hope Hughes wins.

[scubaru]

It may be Matt, but I'm ready to see him get his block knocked off.

These fights have been MUCH better than what we've paid for lately!

[CentexPW]

I wanted to see Hughes win but StPierre was hungry and trained well. Molson just couldnt overcome the size difference of Silvia. That guy is big but looks soft, but has some moves and trained for molson.

Mike T

[scubaru]

OMG! :eek:! H E L L Yeah! GSP dominated from start to finish, awesome night of UFC!

[Hotrod]

Man, I hated to see my boy Matt lose. But just like Franklin, I think when you hold the belt for so long like these guys did they lose the drive and don't know it. I think it's takes a loss just like GSP to come back and win. I can guarantee
you when Hughes and Franklin come back their is gonna be a huge difference in both fighters. Matt just didn't seem to have an answer for GSP's speed, when he clinched he couldn't even take him down. I don't know , Matt's my boy. Oh well every Champion has to lose now and again. Now for my other boy, TITO. I love Chuck and Tito, they are my favorite Light Heavy's. But again Chuck has had it for to long and I would love to see Tito win again.Tito's stand up was good with Chuck in the first fight but when he got thumbed in the eye, I think that caused the fight to go in Chuck's favor. And who besides me and my 2 brothers are tired and bored of see Tim Sylvia's fights. They are sooo boring. I wish Munson could have pulled it off. Well till next month. A die hard UFC Vetran.

[Unlawful Justice]

I've seen some of the older fights, but me and my buds had a good time watching those guys last night. I was dissapointed when Hughes lost but he really was out played. I was VERY impressed with thier level of professionalism though. GSP told him he will get a rematch soon, so that will be a good fight.

The Sylvia/Munson fight was a joke. You got a guy that has a 10-11" reach on you, there is almost no way you are going to take him. I don't think that Munson really wanted that belt because he never seemed to be going all out. Now don't get me wrong I know that 5 minutes is a long fight, but if he wanted it, he should have left it all on the mat.

All in all good fights. The UFC has come a long way from where they started. They definately have a greater level of professionalism.

[Mr.M]

My opinion Matt Hughes just simply got drove! Pierre came out wanting to do some damage and he did just that! Pierre out punched him and out kicked him throughout both rounds. It was time for Hughes to sit down for awhile. lol

[calixtog]

Does anyone still want to tell me how ANY of the UFC heavyweights are in the same league as Fedor Emelianenko or his brother? I doubt they'd even last two minutes with Randleman or either Nogeira brother, never mind the Russian Red Devil team.


Cg

[NaClH2O]

This was one of the best cards I've seen in a while. Very entertaining for the most part. I was surprised to see Matt Hughes was dominated, but GSP's speed got the better of him.

I have begun to hate Tim Sylvia's fights. They're boring. He never does anything, and his huge reach advantage means nobody else can go to him. He does just enough not to lose. And that's how I think he fights. He doesn't go out looking to win. Why is it every time his hand is raised, he tips his drink almost in apology for the way he fought? I can't wait until the belt gets out of his hands. But it may not happen until some new blood comes into the heavyweight division. It's really weak right now.

[OxbowOutfitters]

I missed the fight..But, thank god for ppv..
is it worth the $40? or should I wait for the Vid?

Oxx..

[rangerjohn]

well i think if you didnt see it live then wait or go to youtube and they will be on there soon enough.

i agree naclh2o sylvia does just enough NOT TO LOOSE. i on the other hand dont agree about the entire devision. there is one man there that is worth his salt or will be soon. Brandon Vera will be the next champion. in a couple of years he will be up there with the elite of the world in all organizations. he actually plans on fighting light heavy also. the kid has great hands/knees and he is very capable on the ground too.

i think arlovski was robbed in the 2nd fight with sylvia and his spirit was broken before the 3rd ever started. he will be back but they will not let him fight sylvia.

noone can stand with fedor and when nogeira is on few can stand with him. then there is wand silva, while he got beat by cro cop he is still only a light heavy anyway. there isnt a light heavy that can handle him
the UFC is weak all over and are scrambleing to make it back. (see anderson silva comes in out of the blue)

as for matt hughes, he got lucky in alot of his fights and his LUCK ran out. GSP is the future in that weight and it will be along night for anyone (unless bj penn ever gets into shape he would kill either hughes or GSP)

[Wading Mark]

Rangerjohn, I agree with you about how talent is weak. Part of it probably has to do with money and the fighters aren't getting enough. Plus, I think that UFC has gotten away from what it was origianlly meant to be, and that was a forum for martial arts. Now, we have a lot of brawlers, but very few legitimate martial artists.

[OxbowOutfitters]

Its a ppv Bloodbath..do you really care about there (style)..
I just like to watch them beatin each other to death..
Its not like it was before with Gracie/ Dan (the Beast) Sevron/ Tank Abbott.

Oxx..

[rangerjohn]

Rangerjohn, I agree with you about how talent is weak. Part of it probably has to do with money and the fighters aren't getting enough. Plus, I think that UFC has gotten away from what it was origianlly meant to be, and that was a forum for martial arts. Now, we have a lot of brawlers, but very few legitimate martial artists.
yeah thats definately an issue.
people want to see the big KO and who cares about the armbar.
thats just one more reason i like pride better.
i got some of the king of the cage DVD's the other day. some of the best fights, the fighters are so hungrey that really do a great job.

[Wading Mark]

Its a ppv Bloodbath..do you really care about there (style)..
I just like to watch them beatin each other to death..
Its not like it was before with Gracie/ Dan (the Beast) Sevron/ Tank Abbott.

Oxx..
Well, I do care about style since I'm a martial artist. This is why I prefer Pride.

[scubaru]

the fighters are so hungrey that really do a great job.
I agree. I think that is the number 1 differance right there. Crocop would kill everyone in the Heavyweight division.

[rangerjohn]

while this is not the most recent fights, thsi is a good reason why the fights are not as good as they should be.
source : mmaweekly.com
UFC 64 Fighter Salaries
Event took place on October 14, 2006 and aired on pay-per-view

Title Match & Main Event Fighters

-Anderson Silva: $50,000 (defeated Rich Franklin)

-Sean Sherk: $22,000 (defeated Kenny Florian)

-Rich Franklin: $21,000 (lost to Anderson Silva)

-Kenny Florian: $8,000 (lost to Sean Sherk)

Main Card Fighters

-Cheick Kongo: $20,000 (lost to Carmelo Marrero)

-Jon Fitch: $20,000 (defeated Kuniyoshi Hironaka)

-Spencer Fisher: $20,000 (defeated Dan Lauzon)

-Kuniyoshi Hironaka: $6,000 (lost to Jon Fitch)

-Carmelo Marrero: $6,000 (defeated Cheick Kongo)

-Dan Lauzon: $3,000 (lost to Spencer Fisher)

Preliminary Match Fighters

-Yushin Okami: $12,000 (defeated Kalib Starnes)

-Clay Guida: $6,000 (defeated Justin James)

-Kalib Starnes: $5,000 (lost to Yushin Okami)

-Kurt Pellegrino: $4,000 (defeated Junior Assuncao)

-Junior Assuncao: $3,000 (lost to Kurt Pellegrino)

-Justin James: $3,000 (lost to Clay Guida)

Disclosed Fighter Payroll for UFC 64: $209,000

and i will gauranatee dana white and the fertita brothers are makeing atleast the total each per fight.
to bad zuffa is not on the stock exchange i would own a ton of stock in them right now.

[calixtog]

[QUOTE=rangerjohn]while this is not the most recent fights, thsi is a good reason why the fights are not as good as they should be.
source : mmaweekly.com
UFC 64 Fighter Salaries
Event took place on October 14, 2006 and aired on pay-per-view

Title Match & Main Event Fighters

-Anderson Silva: $50,000 (defeated Rich Franklin)


-Rich Franklin: $21,000 (lost to Anderson Silva)



Franklin and Silva made much, much more than that, because they were both guranteed points against the ppv net. Add about $400,000 to Franklin's and $250,000 to Silva, and you're closer to being on point.

Everyone knows that UFC prelim guys make worse the pro wrestling squash guys (even the Brooklyn Brawler makes about $52,000/yr), but that's the life they chose.

Cg

[rangerjohn]

[QUOTE=rangerjohn]



Franklin and Silva made much, much more than that, because they were both guranteed points against the ppv net. Add about $400,000 to Franklin's and $250,000 to Silva, and you're closer to being on point.

Everyone knows that UFC prelim guys make worse the pro wrestling squash guys (even the Brooklyn Brawler makes about $52,000/yr), but that's the life they chose.

Cg
these numbers are from mmaweekly.com and come from the athletic commission so if they got payed more then this then i think the IRS might like to know cause this is the amount they are "claiming" to get payed.

they make thier real money from endorsements which are few and far between in that sport.

[rangerjohn]

here is a pretty good article (albeit old) on the fighters payout.
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=521&zoneid=13

[calixtog]

these numbers are from mmaweekly.com and come from the athletic commission so if they got payed more then this then i think the IRS might like to know cause this is the amount they are "claiming" to get payed.

they make thier real money from endorsements which are few and far between in that sport.
Trust me, I know what I'm talking about. I've seen how it works in boxing, and according to Jimmy Brewster, who used to manage Dan Severn, Mark Coleman, and Don Frye, MMA is no different.

Pay per view revenues aren't reported to the athletic commisions because of the extended delays in getting the numbers and the money from the PPV carriers. In essence, the money doesn't exist until it has been paid out. The reports that go to the commissions deal with actual numbers.

Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin, and The Rock all had the same deals when they worked for the WWE. The company only reported the actual downside guaranteed money that each wrestler got to the state governments that the events were held in. Thus, Vinnie Mac only paid taxes on the downsides.

This is loosely referred to as the "Sugar Ray Loophole" because it was an idea originally conceived by Sugar Ray Leonard's manager, Mike Trainer, to maximize the amount of money Ray got from his fights with Tommy Hearns (#2), Roberto Duran, and Donny Lalonde. For example, in the Hearns fight, Leonard and Top Rank Promotions (they co-promoted the fight) reported $8 million to Nevada, but his take, after adding the points three months later, was closer to $15 million.

The states are loath to close the loophole, because eventually, they get that money in state income taxes.

I hope that clears up my meanings. I didn't intend to mislead.

Cg

[scubaru]

Why does every UFC thread end up getting hijacked by the "fighters" who know it all and know everybody? If you wanna talk UFC politics and financial inconsistency, start your thread.

[OxbowOutfitters]

Beer & popcorn please..:biggrin:
Oxx.

[calixtog]

Why does every UFC thread end up getting hijacked by the "fighters" who know it all and know everybody? If you wanna talk UFC politics and financial inconsistency, start your thread.Hey, whoa! I didn't hijack this thread, nor have I ever claimed to be a fighter. As I also stated, there was no disrespect intended. I was simply trying to make the point that the numbers aren't as they appear.

If the opposite was gleaned, then I regret the miscommunication.

I still think that Fedor would jellyapple all those UFC guys.

Cg

[Grande Venado]

Tim Slyvia is a joke. How can a heavyweight title fight go 5 rounds? And this was his second in a row.

[Wading Mark]

Tim Slyvia is a joke. How can a heavyweight title fight go 5 rounds? And this was his second in a row.
I agree. He's a one-dimentional fighter. If I wanted to watch someone like him fight, I would just watch a boxing match.

[bbridges]

I say send Tim Sylvia in with Crocop and we'll find out just how bad he really is. He wouldn't make it 30 seconds. UFC definitely needs to bring some of these guys from Pride to put their athletes that think they are the baddest man around in check. I like Matt Hughes because he seemed like a ountry boy that worked hard but I think his head was blown way out of proportion and it should last week.

Brian

[rangerjohn]

I say send Tim Sylvia in with Crocop and we'll find out just how bad he really is. He wouldn't make it 30 seconds. UFC definitely needs to bring some of these guys from Pride to put their athletes that think they are the baddest man around in check.
Brian
actually i heard a rumor that sylvia was issued a challenge by fedor/crocop/pride
but turned it down. everyone throws the "ufc hasa contract and will not let him" stuff out there but they let chuck (whom, by the way got his a** handed to him) chuck went to dana and said "i can beat this guy" refering to "rampage" jackson