The best center ever

[rvj]

Just watch the dream do it in the paint, on the outside. Watch this center run the court like a all-star point gaurd. Watch this center defend himself and his team-mates. watch the footwork, the quickhands. Watch the best all around center ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMrcBdXU9Nw

[rangerjohn]

i am gonna have to go statistically and say jabbar

Jersey number - 33
Games played - 1560 (2nd most in NBA history)
Field goal % - 55.9 (8th highest in NBA history)
Free throw % - 72.1
Three-point % - 5.6 (Note: he made just one three-point field goal in his career)
Rebounds - 17,440 (3rd most in NBA history)
Rebounds per game - 11.2 (tied for 24th highest in NBA history)
Assists - 5660 (31st in NBA history)
Assist per game - 3.6
Steals - 1160
Steals per game - 0.74
Blocks - 3189 (2nd most in NBA history) (Note: blocks were not officially tabulated until the 1973-1974 season (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973-74_NBA_season))
Blocks per game - 2.57
Points per game - 24.6 (12th highest)
Holds NBA career record for:

Most points in NBA history - 38,387
Most minutes played (57,446)
Most field goals made (15,837)
Most field goals attempted (28,307)
Most All-Star selections (19)
Most All-Star games played (18)
Most playoff games played (237)

[manintheboat]

What about Wilt?

[rangerjohn]

the only issue i have with wilt is the time in which he played. had he been in his prime in the 80's and played jabbar, i dont think he would have those gawdy numbers.

he was a freak in his time but i think you cant compair the competition of then to what it became.
dont get me wrong he was a monster

[rvj]

Hakeem did things that most centers could never do on the court. But after thinking a little, let me say that the DREAM is one of the best.. lets say he is in the top five all time.

[rangerjohn]

Hakeem did things that most centers could never do on the court. But after thinking a little, let me say that the DREAM is one of the best.. lets say he is in the top five all time.
i would agree with that. statisticly top 10 but intangables top 5 for sure

[manintheboat]

Rangerjohn, you are on the money. It is so hard to compare centers from differant ages. Another great was Bill Russell. There are people out there who think that he is the greatest all around.

[Ernest]

At his prime, the Dream was simply the best.

[rangerjohn]

see the problem i have with this thread is all the bias, there are to many "dream" fans here because he is a home town boy so to speak.
this is just an observation i have and maybe i am wrong but it seams this way to me

[TatterTot]

He77 ya there is bias, but also validity to the argument. Dream is 2nd behind Jabbar Bar none.

[Gottagofishin]

As Bum Philips would have said: "He may not be in a class by himself, but it doesn't take long to call roll".

The amazing thing about Hakeem is that he had never played organized basketball until he showed up at UH. He was a star soccer goalie in Nigeria.

[rvj]

Its very interesting how this guy rates centers from the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, and the present day... And its very interesting who he ranks number #1..

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/sibrel/centers.html

[Dell]

Sounds like most of y'all have never seen the films of Wilt leading the fast break when he played for Kansas StateThis guy was awesome,

[mastercylinder]

akeem had the best baseline move ever, but, as far as the best center ever, i'd have to go with kareem abdul jabbar. kareem was really good in the movie, "airplane," too.

[robalo 2120]

to bad the little mermaid is not even in the top 20,even though he did gravey train a couple of rings off duncan. still remember the year robinson got mvp and hakeem made him look foolish.

[spec]

Sounds like most of y'all have never seen the films of Wilt leading the fast break when he played for Kansas StateThis guy was awesome,
I dont think there is film of him playing at K-State...I thought he was a Jayhawk.

[mastercylinder]

i think chamberlain could also be considered the greatest ever. in his autobiography, a view from above, published in 1991, wilt claimed to have slept with almost 20,000 women. by my calculations, that would mean he would have slept with a different woman every night for almost 55 years. if this claim is even remotely accurate, maybe he was the greatest ever, afterall. :D

[rangerjohn]

to bad the little mermaid is not even in the top 20,even though he did gravey train a couple of rings off duncan. still remember the year robinson got mvp and hakeem made him look foolish.
where do you come up with DR not even in the top 20?
list them off and lets figure out where your math went wrong?
no top 20? lol how did he make it into the 50 greatest palyers list then?

[Pocboy]

Robalo, did he not sign an autograph for you one time or what. Quit being such an a** about someone who has done nothing but good for his entire career and then stepped it up a notch when he retired. No one here is belittling your precious dream, so back off david. I guess when the dream won his titles he had no help from anyone else. No one came along and added that missing piece to the puzzle that finally allowed houston to take it to the next level? Tom

[neckdeep]

calm down puck - the thread is about the best center ever and the mermaid is not considered.

[Pocboy]

Look what the cat drug in.....Das neckanator straight from a great win by the Cowboys so he is full of himself and ready for his daily butt whupin'. Hey brain surgeon, I wasn't even trying to place the admiral in that category since I acknowledge that there are others who are better than him. What I have a problem with is people maligning him and misrepresenting his "moniker" when he made a committment, served his country and then became an invaluable part of a team and community that still value him as a person as well as representative of how all NBA players should strive to be. Say he is not as good, point out his flaws, but please do not make fun of him and his committment and expect others to not respond.

[neckdeep]

http://ia.ec.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/56/33/30/10m.jpg (http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0097757/Ss/0097757/IMG0009.jpg)here ya go

[Pocboy]

neck-a-hoff, I deal with 6th graders all day long. I've finally come to the conclusion that they are one level above you. David Robinson served in the United States Navy before he came to the Spurs. Because of this he earned his nickname "The Admiral". You flaunt your disregard for his service and what he has done for our country in the name of a game. Your hatred of the Spurs has exposed you as an a** and an uneducated Pr**k.

[neckdeep]

you and ranger need to count to 10 and calm down or you are gonna have to go sit in the corner

[neckdeep]

Oh and the I didn't make up "The little mermaid" name, call Jim Rome

[neckdeep]

"uneducated Pr**k."

I happen to have a degree in Finance there Junior

[Pocboy]

Just because you have a paper hanging on a wall that says you can operate a cash register doesn't mean you are smart, or intelligent. In your case it just means that the podunk online college you got you diploma from doesn't do background checks.

[rangerjohn]

"uneducated Pr**k."

I happen to have a degree in Finance there Junior
i have to say pocboy, that was a little to much. i have been talking for a while now about how neck likes to make things "personal" but here you are makeing it personal too.

lets be the bigger men here and just make it about the sport.
if he wants to make it personal then that is on him but lets not return the favor.

go spurs go should just about do enough to make neck mad anyway.

[Pocboy]

I can't help it, he just brings out the worst in me. He takes an intelligent topic and relegates it to a lower level. Unfortunately, I can't let things slide when I see an injustice done. Apologies to everyone except neck-a-sphinct.

[neckdeep]

"podunk online college"

ha ha that's a good one puckboy

You two hot heads need some anger management classes - or Prozac

back to - The best center ever

The Dream

[rangerjohn]

see there are 2 mistakes on this post of your neck,
1st i am not the angry one, you are the one almmost threatening everyone
2nd "the dream" would be out classed by guys like jabbar and wilt and russel and even shaq. and in time guys like bynam (who happens to be learning from jabbar) and d howard is a beast in a year also.

[neckdeep]

seems to me that The Dream schoolled Shaq the 2nd year the Rockets won the Championship

that was when I was in Houston BTW

[neckdeep]

oh and danger man - you are the one who made the threat

[rangerjohn]

seems to me that The Dream schoolled Shaq the 2nd year the Rockets won the Championship

that was when I was in Houston BTW
and lets see hakeem was in his prime and shaq was what in his second maybe 3rd year? still pretty fresh and new so to speak
oh and i threatened to give you a reddie instead of a greenie. so yeah i guess your right i did threaten.

i am not the one that wants to fight you, i am not the one with the signature specifically saying something about fighting someone. maybe you need to go back and read the posts all over again

[neckdeep]

my signature doesn't say anything about Ranger dude

get your reading glasses out

and go watch Million Dollar Baby

[rangerjohn]

"oh and danger man - you are the one who made the threat"

and then there is the "UCF" you like to call it and so if you put 2 and 2 together, you make things to obvious.

so lets make an agreement, you quit talking **** about people personally and there will be no more issues.

the last thing i will say on this subject is this. you talk big, you say your a big guy and i am just a little guy. doesnt really mater. i am here because there are some good people here talking about things i enjoy also. i am not here to fight with you but dont take my not wanting to fight and confuse that with fear. i do not fear you and never will. i know what i am capable of and dont really care what you think about anything. i enjoy making fun of the mavs and if you notice i throw a few shots in at the rockets also. if you cant handle the heat of the thread then just run along to "where the adults talk" as you like to say. i just think it is real funny how you talk alot of trash when your teams win and disapear when they loose. you notice no excuses in the conversations about the spurs and we bring up the looses ourselves.

so again i will ask you nicely MAN TO MAN grow up and we can all get along. if you still insist on wanting to talk to me the way you do and try to tell me you could whip my a** (while not in those words but in implication alone) then i tell you this, here is my address and you are morethe n welcome to come try. 4334 countryhights court spring texas. so until you show up at my door, then i will consider the topic dead.

and now back to the excitement of the sport.

jabbar best center ever bar none.
spurs best winning precentage in all of major sports for the last 10 years and 3 titles in 7 years. and to take a mark cuban saying, just like phil jackson is his "bucketboy" so to are the mavs "bucketboys" for the spurs.
(what ever a bucketboy is supposed to mean)

[Pocboy]

Ranger, maybe like waterboy. If that's the case the mavs aren't even fit to be the Spurs waterboys.

[neckdeep]

hey poc logg back on when the line at the drive through thins out a little

[Pocboy]

"When the line thins out a little", you slay me neck-a-sphinct. Ok, well you can go back to the library and logg back on when you're through putting tape back in the register.

[neckdeep]

http://www.mcdonalds.com/images/global_splash/arch.jpg hey now

[Pocboy]

OH, so now we are listing our favorite restaurants. Ok, I like Whataburger.

[TatterTot]

2nd "the dream" would be out classed by guys like jabbar and wilt and russel and even shaq. and in time guys like bynam (who happens to be learning from jabbar) and d howard is a beast in a year also.[/QUOTE]

Easy there mujombo. I know neck got you all riled up but to say Dream would be out classed. Come on. Shaq at his prime vs. Dream at his prime. No contest. Jabbar I still think in his prime is the best, then Dream. And as far as the future you forgot a little 7'6" China man called Yao. He is consistantly improving in all aspects of his game, but I'm sure you being a Spurs fan just "overlooked" him.

[neckdeep]

by the way did ya'll see that midget block Yao Ming last night Ha Ha

Yao = not on list

[Pocboy]

When you see how all the best centers moved I don't think you can even take a sideways glance at Yao. Yeah, yao got punked by a punk last night.

[neckdeep]

5'9" Nate Robinson blocks 7'5" Yao :) :) that's funney

at least this Robinson can block

[TatterTot]

Who said Yao was on the list?:confused: Sorry 5 years in the association will get you on no ones list. Foot work is a problem when your 7'6". For a guy his size he has a tremendous fade away, and in the process of working on his hook. Neck your an idiot if you think DR had no skillz or is not a top 8 center. Just goes to show what dallas miopia is capable of.sad3sm As weak as you think DR is, dirk is 10 fold. SOFT. and always will be. Since he's been in the NBA he has showed no signs of changing.......Oh wait this is a top 10 thread not a soft euro thread.:bounce:

[neckdeep]

All I know is 5'9" Nate Robinson blocks 7'5" Yao :) :) that's funney

[neckdeep]

that "soft German", who took his team to the finals, is not a center BTW.

[TatterTot]

Did I say he was? Took his team....Yeah if he had a spine they probably would have won as opposed to "took" the finals. Now thats "funnEy".

[neckdeep]

They had enough to win the west, what does that say about the rest of the chumps

[TatterTot]

Anyway...... Jabbar 1 Hakeem 2 Russell 3 Shaq 4 Wilt 5

[neckdeep]

that sounds about right if you DR at about 25th best ever center

[neckdeep]

oh - BTW he's a good guy just not a good center

[rangerjohn]

that sounds about right if you DR at about 25th best ever center
so if DR isnt on that list then name the 24 better then him, and if you throw a diop or dampier in there then we all know your BB analasis is a joke.
and as for yao, he will never be better then he is now and my reason for saying this starts with a t and ends with mac. they cant play well together for a long enough period of time. and thats that.

now if you think shaq could not compete with hakeem then you are sadly mistaken tot. shaq in his prime was completely unstopable. more consistent and could defend just about anyone ofer 6'8". his only downfall is the freethrow line.

and neck if you think DR could not block shots well go back and look at the numbers. his career average for clocks was only 1/10 less pre game then the "all mighty dream". and hakeem is the highest of all time (granted he played almost 20 seasons)


i have to agree that yao getting blocked by the little robinson was pretty funny and then the "oh oh i got fouled YOU FACE" thats funny.

[rangerjohn]

oh and if dirk is not a center then why do they list him as a center/power forward? oh thats right he is not a center because he cant handle the pressure of being in the middle like that. SOFT, S O F T !!!!!!!

[TatterTot]

OK Not compete was a little too much, but all around game, you mentioned it Free throws, and you get him away from the basket forget about it. Look at Shaqs FG % there is a reason it is soo high. He's a monster that is his game. 1 dimensional, but he is very good at that 1 dimension. As far as Yao getting better I think his #'s speak for themself. Improved every year in the NBA and I believe T-Mac has played 3 years with him. Now winning that is a different story but #'s you are wrong.

[rangerjohn]

now if you want to look at yao's numbers i would agree his numbers have gone up but i (personally) feel he is at a peak.

while his points have gone up, his % has come down almost to the lowest ever, and while his rebounds have gone up also they are all defencive, his offencive have come down the last 2 yrs. and then the big factor is his minutes. they have increased by a minute and 1/2 per game over last year and that makes it 5 minutes over 2 years ago.
play more minutes score more points,grab more rebounds.

this is where guys like TD and DR are soo good. they have historicly played less minutes then most guys with similar numbers. look at this season and TD is playing 1/2 a minute more then last season which was down from his early years by more then 4 minutes. compaired to the all powerful dirk who is playing 3 1/2 minutes more per game average.

i just dont see how yao can get any better then he is now and he isnt good enough to make the list now.

[neckdeep]

5'9" Nate Robinson blocks 7'5" Yao :) :) that's funney


Nate = midget, Yao = giant, when midget blocks giant that makes giant = punk

[rangerjohn]

ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i cant believe i am going to say this but here goes,

neck is right about that, nate blocking yao did punk yao ALOT. and the yao face kills me.
its like a 7'6" charpee (you know the wrinkly dog) (spelling)
that on the other hand is something nate will talk about for the rest of his life since that and the spud web dunk are his only claims to fame

[rangerjohn]

here you go in YAO'S OWN WORDS

Quote of the Day
"I was blocked by a 5-3 guy before, so that's not a record."
-- Yao Ming, after getting swatted by 5-9 Nate Robinson.

[neckdeep]

I was blocked by a 5-3 guy before, so that's not a record."
-- Yao Ming, after getting swatted by 5-9 Nate

that's a worm for ya

[rvj]

Yao gets his shot blocked every game by some small guy..Yao is a good player, but he is not in the same league with the likes of Jabbar, the dream, wilt, russel, shaq, malone, or david R...
Shaq is a awsome player around the basket. he has the highest % right at the basket. (dunks). But move him away from the basket and his game begins to suffer.

[rvj]

Yao does give that look when he gets his shot blocked.http://www.2coolfishing.com/ttmbforum/images/icons/oh.gif

[neckdeep]

you forgot Dirk

[Blue Water Ho]

None of this matters. The best center is still nothing without a decent squad around them.

[neckdeep]

"None of this matters. The best center is still nothing without a decent squad around them."

did you come up with that all by yourself ?

[Blue Water Ho]

Dude your a moron, leave me out of youre petty trash talk.

[rangerjohn]

you forgot Dirk
no i dont think anyone forgot dirk i think they coose to leave him out as he doesnt fit in teh topic, it is best center and he cant play center even though that is his natural possition.

and BWH is right you do need a good team and a good center (or any possition) makes his team mates better and that is not something yao does. (or dirk) yao reliese on others to make him better and that is just one more reason he will not make this list and why he will not do any better then he is right now.

[neckdeep]

"Dude your a moron"

I think that would be "you are" there Einstein

[robalo 2120]

Ming would still be way ahead of mermaid on the list

[flatzman]

Ming would still be way ahead of mermaid on the listYou can't be serious?

[rangerjohn]

Ming would still be way ahead of mermaid on the list
how can you even come close to justifying that statment? your nuts!!!! yao could never even come close to DR. yao has no moves all he has is his hight.

[robalo 2120]

When its all over Ming will have more rings than mermaid and duncan

[SeaDeezKnots]

I'll take the action on Dream vs. any center 1 on 1 anytime. Amazing.

Who had more game all-around? Who was more agile and athletic? Who punked D Rob in the playoffs the year D Rob "won" Olajuwon's MVP? Dream also played in the "Age of Centers." Wilt and Russell can't say that.

What other team beat the Bulls w/ Jordan with more regularity than the Rockets?

I've got a DVD with Houston Hometown Legends and far and away Dream's highlight video takes the cake.

[Pocboy]

Robalo, I just read your last reply. You were actually kidding when you wrote that, right? I mean you were chuckling to yourself when you hit the post reply button right? That's very, very funny. The big oaf with a ring. Chuckling as he hits the post reply button.

[robalo 2120]

mermaid and the spurs did not even earn that first ring because they didnt even play a whole season, mermaid should have stayed in the navy

[TX CHICKEN]

That is one of the most ridiculous arguements and I am so sick of hearing it. The Spurs played 12 or 14 back to back games in the "shortened season"(can't remember exactly) and lost only 2 games in their dominating playoff run--if anything a shortened season is more impressive due to less injuries and less fatigue so everyone should be on a more even playing field. You are also an idiot for referring to David Robinson as the mermaid. On a more important note I could care less about the championships compared to what he has brought to San Antonio as a person. You don't have to respect what he did on the court but if you don't respect him as an individual then you are an imbecile.
Gotta love the sports jungle!

mermaid and the spurs did not even earn that first ring because they didnt even play a whole season, mermaid should have stayed in the navy

[robalo 2120]

you put the 94 rockets against any of the spurs teams and they would get punked out of the building, yea and sticks and stones will break my bones

[TatterTot]

you put the 94 rockets against any of the spurs teams and they would get punked out of the building, yea and sticks and stones will break my bones
:cheers:

[Pocboy]

You put the 94 rockets against todays Spurs and the rockets would come up short. Also, please tell me that if the rockets had won the championship that year that you would be saying that it wasn't legit. At least have an arguement that makes since and don't come in here with with your sour grapes because the rockets aren't very good this year. I hate to tell you this but 1994 was a long, long time ago.

[rangerjohn]

you put the 94 rockets against any of the spurs teams and they would get punked out of the building, yea and sticks and stones will break my bones
you put the 94 rockets against oh lets say the 96 bulls or the 85 lakers or ANY of wilts teams or russells teams or TODAYS spurs or mavs or rockets. they won as an 8th seed in 94 and 95 so they played well in the playoffs but could not hold it up during the regular season. maybe they needed a shorter season since they started pretty well and fadded at ther middle and end to just make the playoffs.

[robalo 2120]

94 95 rockets are a part of nba history they get shown on espn classic and have their own special on nba tv. Clutch City Forever. I don't remember seeing anything on the spurs weak championships. Hakeem was better then any spur there has ever been and ever will be. The 2006 rockets will finish better than the spurs this year and win the head to head match up.

[TatterTot]

you put the 94 rockets against oh lets say the 96 bulls or the 85 lakers or ANY of wilts teams or russells teams or TODAYS spurs or mavs or rockets. they won as an 8th seed in 94 and 95 so they played well in the playoffs but could not hold it up during the regular season. maybe they needed a shorter season since they started pretty well and fadded at ther middle and end to just make the playoffs.
I'll give you 96 BUlls and I guess 85 Lakers and thats it. You are talking @ 2 of the greatest teams EVER. As far as Wilt and Russels teams back in the day come on. Different time, differnt era.Apples and oranges. As far as the any Spurs championship teams any day. Center adv. Hakeem. Power Frwd adv. TD. Small frwd "Big Shot Bob". Shooting Guard Clyde. Point Parker. Elie cancels out Bowen. Cassell off the bench cancels ? A champion is a champion no matter what seed.

[rangerjohn]

I'll give you 96 BUlls and I guess 85 Lakers and thats it. You are talking @ 2 of the greatest teams EVER. As far as Wilt and Russels teams back in the day come on. Different time, differnt era.Apples and oranges. As far as the any Spurs championship teams any day. Center adv. Hakeem. Power Frwd adv. TD. Small frwd "Big Shot Bob". Shooting Guard Clyde. Point Parker. Elie cancels out Bowen. Cassell off the bench cancels ? A champion is a champion no matter what seed.
WELL YOU HAVE TO PUT MANU IN THERE AND ELIE AND BIG SHOT BOTH PLAYED ON THE SPURS AND DONT FOR GET THE NINJA. AND EVERYONE PRECIOUS AVERY. AND CASSELL IS TO WISHY WASHY TO BE COUNTED ON EVERY GAME, THATS WHY HE HAS PLAYED ON SO MANY TEAMS.

[Pocboy]

Robalo, come to the light, come to the light. What you are talking about happened over a decade ago so quit living in the past. No one here is questioning how awsome that Rocket team was. The Spurs and Lakers have been the teams since then and look what happened to the Lakers and the Spurs need to get their stuff together or they'll be falling behind again. Embrace the future, embrace the present.

[rvj]

Robalo, come to the light, come to the light. What you are talking about happened over a decade ago so quit living in the past. No one here is questioning how awsome that Rocket team was. The Spurs and Lakers have been the teams since then and look what happened to the Lakers and the Spurs need to get their stuff together or they'll be falling behind again. Embrace the future, embrace the present.Hey pocboy, right now the past 94-95 rockets is all we have man. The rockets got thumped last night by the suns. Hey we do have a chamionship soccer team.http://www.2coolfishing.com/ttmbforum/images/icons/icon7.gif

[neckdeep]

move to Dallas - we have lots of good teams

[rvj]

move to Dallas - we have lots of good teamsNo can do. We have better fishing down here on the coast, freshwater and saltwater......http://2coolfishing.com/ttmbforum/images/icons/flounder.gifhttp://2coolfishing.com/ttmbforum/images/icons/drum.gifhttp://2coolfishing.com/ttmbforum/images/icons/sheepshead.gifhttp://2coolfishing.com/ttmbforum/images/icons/snapper.gifhttp://2coolfishing.com/ttmbforum/images/icons/shark.gifhttp://2coolfishing.com/ttmbforum/images/icons/dolphinicon.gifhttp://2coolfishing.com/ttmbforum/images/icons/snook.gifhttp://www.2coolfishing.com/ttmbforum/images/icons/bluefish.gifhttp://www.2coolfishing.com/ttmbforum/images/icons/fish.gif

[neckdeep]

I know, I used to live in Cypress and would hit the coast about 3 out of 4 weekends.

Had a friend with a camp on Matagorda too

[rangerjohn]

move to Dallas - we have lots of good teams
except for the rangers (they suck) and the stars are a joke and soccer????
the cowboys are borderline good and the mavs are not to bad (for now)

houston on the other hand has the rockets (not far behind dallas and SA) astros (much better then rangers) soccer (wait are we not the champs) football is the big downfall in houston houston still has the arrows palying hockey and ...(who cares about hockey anyway) and then there are the comets i think they won a few championships too.

besides the fishing the money is better in houston and the traffic (surprisingly) is better then dallas too.

[Pocboy]

I know, I used to live in Cypress and would hit the coast about 3 out of 4 weekends.

Had a friend with a camp on Matagorda too
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