BCS or Playoff System?

[Syncerus]

Is the BCS a fair way to determine the national champion in NCAA Division 1 football?

[Too Tall]

I'd rather it be settled on the field and not on someones computer. But either way someone is going to get left out.

[Syncerus]

Argh. That was supposed to be 1AA, not 1A.

[gulf_addict]

Playoff. Wait a minute.............if I have grub worms in my pocket does that mean I'm a.............? DOH!

[220swifter]

I am not a fan of the system, but MOST of the time, it works. There is usually a bunch of weeks when everyone is upset, but by the end of the season, things usually work out.

This year is probably going to be a big mess. The most likely outcome is going to be the OSU/Mich winner vs Louisville. That is going to cause a lot of frustration. Many people will argue that Louisville would lose to any of the other top 10 teams.

If Louisville loses a game, then its the winner of OSU/Mich vs. one of the 1 loss teams. One team will be sitting pretty, and 4 of 5 other teams will feel snubbed.

After this season, we may be one step closer to a playoff system.

[Charles Helm]

Well the poll is pretty tight right now...

[spotsndots]

I didn't feel like retyping it all over again but this was my feelings back in Oct. when the subject came up.

"I would like to see either 3 or 4 teams undefeated at the end of the year for 2 years in a row or everybody with 1 loss. I think the BCS boys are basing their "system is good" concept on the fact that there is usually on 2 teams that are undefeated at the end of the season (before bowls etc.) They are like politicians-telling us what they WANT US to hear and not listening to WHAT WE WANT! which is a playoff. Why is div. 1-A football the ONLY level that can't figure out to have a playoff system from peewee to high school, to pro's?"

[Professor Jones]

In my opinion, there is a pretty good chance that the National Championship Game will be Ohio State versus Louisville. I do not think that this will be a real National Championship match-up. You do not think this will happen? Let's look at it. Ohio State is #1, all they have to do is beat Michigan #2 and I do believe they will, and they will be in the championship game. The Michigan loss drops them below Louisville. Louisville is #3, all they have to do is beat Rutgers on Thursday night and then some lesser teams and they are in the Championship game. Should Louisville be ranked that high? I do not think they should. If they want to play with the big boys in a bowl game, they need to start playing with the big boys during the season. They need to schedule some Big 10, Big 12, Sec, and Pac 10 teams during the season. The Big East is not as competitive. Its like comparing apples to oranges.

Our only hope is Rutgers beats Louisville, or Louisville barely wins and falls in the BCS. Florida is #4. They are barely above Texas and have one loss. They still have to play in the SEC Championship game against Auburn, who already beat Florida this year, or Arkansas, who beat Auburn earlier. I do not see Florida winning the SEC Championshiip game. Texas is #5 and with wins against KSU and A&M and in the Big 12 Championship game could move up to #2. That would have Ohio State and Texas in the National Championship game.

[texaggie2007]

I don't know why anyone would want BCS if we could have a playoff
It would cut out on mack brown and t-sip's bitchin:wink:

[dennis_99]

One problem with the playoff is determining how many teams get in. Even if you make it an 8 Team Playoff, a poll and/or BCS type system will determine those 8 teams and you'll still have people claiming bias/flaws in the system; unless their team is in the system in which case its a great system. A la' horns in 2005 versus horns in 2006.

[Argo]

I think the BCS has a chance on the poll..... :)

[Wes]

I don't know why anyone would want BCS if we could have a playoff
It would cut out on mack brown and t-sip's bitchin:wink:
Dang, there Ag'07. You ***** and whine about folks hating on your Aggies and traditions on some other threads. Now you post up stuff like this. Seems a little hypocritical.

BTW, I would favor a play off system as well.

[texaggie2007]

Dang, there Ag'07. You ***** and whine about folks hating on your Aggies and traditions on some other threads. Now you post up stuff like this. Seems a little hypocritical.:idea: Note the ;)
And I have no problem with sports smack; that's what this forum is for

[Syncerus]

In 1AA ball, they pick the top 16 teams for the playoffs. The last team standing is declared the winner. Personally, I find the system very fair. It's conceivable to me that a team ranked 6th or 8th might win the playoffs (like the Steelers last year), but I don't believe a team ranked 15th or 18th could win.

One could argue about whether a team should be ranked 16th or 17th or 18th, but I think it's largely splitting hairs at that stage, since the probable winners will be in the top 10. Any reasonable system of ranking would work, since the idea is to include any team that has a realistic chance.

Like I said above, the 1AA system seems very fair to me.

http://www.i-aa.org/article.asp?articleid=75056

I've compiled a list of the 1AA champions showing the year and the tournament seeding. Notice how many winners were NOT seeded #1 or #2.

Year, winning seed:
1978 3
1980 7
1981 2
1982 1
1983 1
1984 3
1985 Not top 4
1986 4
1987 2
1988 4
1989 1
1990 3
1991 Not top 4
1992 Not top 4
1993 Not top 4
1994 1
1995 6
1996 2
1997 8
1998 11
1999 2
2000 3
2001 1
2002 Not top 4
2003 2
2004 Not top 4
2005 2

[manintheboat]

I like the bowl system. I really think that there could be middle ground though. I like the idea of a "plus 1' situation. This would be a situation where the top 2 teams play for the championship after the bowl games are over. You could even use the BCS system to pair the top 4 teams in the bowls to determine who plays in the championship game. This way, you keep the bowl system alive and get a better shot at determining the true champion. Honestly, if you are below the 4th rated team, you generally have done enough wrong that you probably do not deserve a shot at the title. I am not crazy about a 16 or 8 team playoff.

[Syncerus]

Does anyone know a web site where we can see the original playoff seeding of eventual Superbowl champions? I seem to recall many times where neither the #1 AFC nor the #1 NFC seed won all the marbles, but I'd like to see the numbers in black and white.

I don't think the BCS 1 vs. 2 concept is remotely indicative of the best college football team.

[shanegair]

I definately think you need to leave the bowl system in place, but you could use some of the upper bowls as "Playoff" games, then have the championship at one 4 / 5 big name bowls...ie....Sugar, Fiesta.....

[Crossroads]

I would prefer a playoff with at least 16 teams. I don't really care if #16 has a realistic chance to win or not. They made the playoffs and its a win for them. How many times has the #64 seed won the NCAA Basketball tournament. I belive that would be never but that team getting in was a big win for them and their fans.

[squidly]

I would like a playoff also......but, we will never see it, too much money involved in the Bowls.

[deebo]

I would like a playoff also......but, we will never see it, too much money involved in the Bowls.
Explain to me why the games in the "tourney" couldnt still be the same bowl games we have now??

the ones not invited to the dance would play in the lesser bowl games we have now, and the big bowls would each be a playoff game. there is already a hierarchy of bowl games....

[gulf_addict]

In my opinion, there is a pretty good chance that the National Championship Game will be Ohio State versus Louisville. I do not think that this will be a real National Championship match-up. You do not think this will happen? Let's look at it. Ohio State is #1, all they have to do is beat Michigan #2 and I do believe they will, and they will be in the championship game. The Michigan loss drops them below Louisville. Louisville is #3, all they have to do is beat Rutgers on Thursday night and then some lesser teams and they are in the Championship game. Should Louisville be ranked that high? I do not think they should. If they want to play with the big boys in a bowl game, they need to start playing with the big boys during the season. They need to schedule some Big 10, Big 12, Sec, and Pac 10 teams during the season. The Big East is not as competitive. Its like comparing apples to oranges.

Our only hope is Rutgers beats Louisville, or Louisville barely wins and falls in the BCS. Florida is #4. They are barely above Texas and have one loss. They still have to play in the SEC Championship game against Auburn, who already beat Florida this year, or Arkansas, who beat Auburn earlier. I do not see Florida winning the SEC Championshiip game. Texas is #5 and with wins against KSU and A&M and in the Big 12 Championship game could move up to #2. That would have Ohio State and Texas in the National Championship game.

If Ohio State beats Michigan, or, if Michigan beats Ohio State, there is no way in hades the loser should drop below #2, ESPECIALLY to a PANSY, play nobody, not deserving of being ranked in the top 10 team like Louisville. And that's all I have to say about that. :)

[jtburf]

My .02 which rated for inflation is now .0234

STOP allowing the top 20 - 30 teams play the softball teams from junior colleges...
have them play confrence games and straight in to a 4-6 week playoff.. winners keep advanceing losers go back home.....


John

[Professor Jones]

gulf addict,
If Ohio State beats Michigan soundly, or vice versa, they could drop a couple of places and we could end up with Louisville/Ohio State in the National Championship. Should it happen, heck no. But some bowl predictors are already predicting it. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2627844

This is why I question the BCS and think we need a better system. There are probably two or three SEC teams, two or three Big 12teams, and two or three Pac 10 teams that could beat Louisville regularly. Look at Boise State. They will end up undefeated and some predictors are saying Boise State will play Texas in a bowl game. What's up with that?

I just hope Rutgers beats Louisville Thursday night so we do not have to deal with this possibility.

The Professor

[tarpon_fly]

According to a buddy of mine the BCS is the result of a conspiracy formulated by the Vatican because Notre Dame is not in a conference.....

[spotsndots]

Everybody wants a playoff that is rather convincing based on the poll and public opinion in general.

Here's my feeble idea for a 32 team playoff and 5 weeks which would finish during the first weekend of January and take the second week of December off for final exams:
1. Instead of playing 4 non conference games you only play 2 for a max total number of regular season games played at 10. It appears most conferences only play 8 conf. games so nothing changes here. All games and conference championships would be finished by Thanksgiving weekend.
2. The conference champs from each of the 12 conferences automatically get into the tournament. (Since the big guys beat the little guys up in non conference they get invited as well). These teams are automatically seeded 1 thru 12 based on the current BCS system rankings.
3. The final 20 teams are automatically filled from 13-32 again based on the highest seed to lowest according to the BCS. ie. Michigan would be the 13th seed since Ohio State wins the conference (based on last weeks rankings as an example)

I know some are obviously gonna say that is crazy that a current #2 seed is ranked lower than a mid-american conference team but that is why they play it on the field. I'll try to attach the brackets showing how it would work as if the season ended last weekend.

I am sure someone will find some glitches but like I said earlier...it's a start...Any comments welcome since it's the jungle!!

[Crossroads]

Looks good to me. Are you always bored? Unfortunately something like that won't happen before we land humans on Mars.

[gulf_addict]

This is why I question the BCS and think we need a better system. There are probably two or three SEC teams, two or three Big 12teams, and two or three Pac 10 teams that could beat Louisville regularly
I just hope Rutgers beats Louisville Thursday night so we do not have to deal with this possibility.

The Professor
Can I get a AAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMEN!

[Syncerus]

Actually, I'm rooting for Louisville. Another spectacular failure of the BCS system is the only thing that's going to bring change to this corrupt mess.

[Crossroads]

Boise State remains undefeated and the only major conference team (PAC-10) that would play them was Oregan State. Boise won 42-10. TCU has had the problem for several years now of not being able to get major teams to play them, they tried to schedule the aggies for three years, finally got Oklahoma, Tech and Baylor and won all of those. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Boise State could defeat Louisville and for that matter, they could probably win the B-12 North at least this year. The BCS sux.

[collegeboy]

I'll have to disagree with the Boise State comment...They limped past Wyoming and Hawaii. I know the Big 12 north is down but no way they win that. I know a great offense is key, but you have to have a little defense too. Thats one thing Louisville, Boise State, and W. Virginia have in common. Lack of defense, imo.

[Crossroads]

Yep you may be right, that's why they play the games. Until there is a playoff, any undefeated team can claim they are the best in the land.

[collegeboy]

this is true...

[Quint]

Tourney will never happen to much money wrapped up in it.

[Syncerus]

Argh. All my plans to snicker gleefully at the embarassment of the BCS when it was Ohio State vs. Louisville in the championship game have gone up in smoke.

Well, the best laid plans ...

[Gottagofishin]

A three week playoff series with the Top 8 BCS ranked teams would be perfect. Of course the BCS computers need to be reprogrammed.

[Gottagofishin]

Tourney will never happen to much money wrapped up in it.The money probably increases. You just need to schedule the bowls differently.

This is probably not a situation of reslicing the pie. It's a matter of making the pie bigger.