A Threat We Can't Ignore (Gun Owners) [Gun Grabber Alert]

[RiverRat1962]

New York Times


June 20, 2009 | Bob Herbert



There is no Obama gun ban on the way. Gun control advocates are, frankly, disappointed [so far].

What’s important to grasp here is that this madness has nothing to do with hunting, which the politicians always claim to be defending, and everything to do with the use of firearms to resist policies and lawful government actions that some gun owners don’t like.

In a speech in February to the Conservative Political Action Conference, the executive vice president of the N.R.A., Wayne LaPierre, said: “Our founding fathers understood that the guys with the guns make the rules.”
A new book by Dennis Henigan, a vice president at the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, goes into detail on this point. In “Lethal Logic: Exploding the Myths That Paralyze American Gun Policy,” Mr. Henigan refers to a Harvard Law Journal article written by an N.R.A. lawyer titled, “The Second Amendment Ain’t About Hunting.” In the article, the lawyer makes it clear that for the N.R.A., the right to bear arms is “directed at maintaining an armed citizenry. ... to protect against the tyranny of our own government.”

There was a wave of right-wing craziness along those lines during the Clinton administration. Four federal agents were killed and 16 others wounded in 1993 during an attempt to serve a search warrant at the Branch Davidian compound near Waco, Tex., where a stockpile of illegal machine guns had been amassed.

The subsequent siege ended disastrously with a raging fire in which scores of people were killed.
In the aftermath of Waco, the N.R.A. did its typically hysterical, fear-mongering thing. In a fund-raising letter in the spring of 1995, LaPierre wrote: “Jack-booted government thugs [have] more power to take away our Constitutional rights, break in our doors, "

(Excerpted) nytimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/20/opinion/20herbert.html) ...


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So I guess Mr. Herbert figures the founders were also right-wing lunatics, for they were devout believers in the right to keep and bear arms as the means to overthrow a tyrannical state. Funny he forgot to mention that in his article.

[Fishin Fast]

I hate gun control. The truth is that the facts don't lie. Gun control does not reduce crime.

I’m
a
law‐abiding
citizen
who
is
sick
and
tired
of 
having
his
rights
chiseled
away
by

deceitful
politicians
that
ignore
undemanding
fact s.
“Intelligent”
people
that
take
the

time
to
study
the
issue
of
"gun
control"
recognize
that
when
you
revoke
the
right
to

self‐defense
from
lawful
citizens,
crime
rates
con siderably
increase.
This
is
because
by

definition,
criminals
DO
NOT
OBEY
THE
LAW,
if
they 
did,
they
would
not
be
criminals

(this
is
very
simple).



Without
the
right
to
bear
arms
this democracy
will
become
a
fraud;
and
our
constitutio n,
an
inconceivable
lie. (just like capitalism :mad:)

[Snagged]

Ever notice politicians are real slow to punish criminals, pass laws against perverts or enforce ethicial behavior among their own?
Answer: Politicians are parasite just like criminals, many are perverts and I doubt any have the average persons ethics.

They are scared of an armed population because they do understand the population will someday get tired of them.

[Bocephus]

Ever notice politicians are real slow to punish criminals, pass laws against perverts or enforce ethicial behavior among their own?
Answer: Politicians are parasite just like criminals, many are perverts and I doubt any have the average persons ethics.

They are scared of an armed population because they do understand the population will someday get tired of them.

Right....all you have to do is look at what is happening in the streets of Iran today. There comes a point at which people have taken all they can. And at that point they will unite and make a stand. I wonder though how long it will take the majority of Americans to get to that point. Or if they ever will ?

Most Americans have been so dumbed down by the liberal media they can't think, or rationalize for themselves.

[Snagged]

It was 5 or 6% of the population that started and completed the first revolution. The majority will put their heads in the sand as always.

[Titus Bass]

Too much of a "me" country.....It doesn't effect me....By the time they realize it does effect them it's too late. Blind stupidity.......

[Procrastinator]

This is because by
definition, criminals DO NOT OBEY THE LAW, if they did, they would not be criminals.

That's the bottom line that the idiots just doni't seem to get!

[dwilliams35]

That's the bottom line that the idiots just doni't seem to get!
It's not the criminals' guns they want: it's the law abiding citizen who just might hold the "from my cold dead hands" view: those people remaining armed is completely counter to their assimilation as good subservient subjects for the greater good of the collective...

[jc]

here's the opinion piece in it's entirety...



Even with the murders that have already occurred, Americans are not paying enough attention to the frightening connection between the right-wing hate-mongers who continue to slither among us and the gun crazies who believe a well-aimed bullet is the ticket to all their dreams.

I hope I’m wrong, but I can’t help feeling as if the murder at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington and the assassination of the abortion doctor in Wichita, Kan., and the slaying of three police officers in Pittsburgh — all of them right-wing, hate-driven attacks — were just the beginning and that worse is to come.

As if the wackos weren’t dangerous enough to begin with, the fuel to further inflame them is available in the over-the-top rhetoric of the National Rifle Association, which has relentlessly pounded the bogus theme that Barack Obama is planning to take away people’s guns. The group’s anti-Obama Web site is called gunbanobama.com (http://gunbanobama.com).

While the N.R.A. is not advocating violence, it shouldn’t take more than a glance at the newspapers to understand why this is a message that the country could do without. James von Brunn, the man accused of using a rifle to shoot a guard to death at the Holocaust museum last week, was described by relatives, associates and the police as a virulent racist and anti-Semite.

Investigators said they found a note that had been signed by von Brunn in the car that he double-parked outside the museum. The note said, “You want my weapons — this ishow you’ll get them.”

Richard Poplawski, who, according to authorities, used a high-powered rifle to kill three Pittsburgh police officers in April, reportedly believed that Zionists were running the world and that, yes, Obama was planning to crack down on gun ownership. A friend said of Poplawski, he “feared the Obama gun ban that’s on the way.”

There is no Obama gun ban on the way. Gun control advocates are, frankly, disappointed in the president’s unwillingness to move ahead on even the mildest of gun control measures.

What’s important to grasp here is that this madness has nothing to do with hunting, which the politicians always claim to be defending, and everything to do with the use of firearms to resist policies and lawful government actions that some gun owners don’t like.

In a speech in February to the Conservative Political Action Conference, the executive vice president of the N.R.A., Wayne LaPierre, said: “Our founding fathers understood that the guys with the guns make the rules.”
A new book by Dennis Henigan, a vice president at the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, goes into detail on this point. In “Lethal Logic: Exploding the Myths That Paralyze American Gun Policy,” Mr. Henigan refers to a Harvard Law Journal article written by an N.R.A. lawyer titled, “The Second Amendment Ain’t About Hunting.” In the article, the lawyer makes it clear that for the N.R.A., the right to bear arms is “directed at maintaining an armed citizenry. ... to protect against the tyranny of our own government.”

There was a wave of right-wing craziness along those lines during the Clinton administration. Four federal agents were killed and 16 others wounded in 1993 during an attempt to serve a search warrant at the Branch Davidian compound near Waco, Tex., where a stockpile of illegal machine guns had been amassed. The subsequent siege ended disastrously with a raging fire in which scores of people were killed.
In the aftermath of Waco, the N.R.A. did its typically hysterical, fear-mongering thing. In a fund-raising letter in the spring of 1995, LaPierre wrote: “Jack-booted government thugs [have] more power to take away our Constitutional rights, break in our doors, seize our guns, destroy our property, and even injure or kill us. ...”

Whatever the N.R.A. may intend by its rhetoric, there is always the danger that those inclined toward violence will incorporate it into their twisted worldview, and will find in the rhetoric a justification for murder. On the second anniversary of the Branch Davidian fire, less than a week after LaPierre’s inflammatory fund-raising letter went out, Timothy McVeigh blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
You cannot blame the N.R.A. for McVeigh’s actions. But you can sure blame it for ignoring the tragic lessons of history and continuing to spray gasoline into an environment that we have seen explode time and again.
The Southern Poverty Law Center has reported a resurgence of right-wing hate groups in the U.S. since Mr. Obama was elected president. Gun craziness of all kinds, including the passage of local laws making it easier to own and conceal weapons, is on the rise. Hate-filled Web sites are calling attention to the fact that the U.S. has a black president and that his chief of staff is Jewish.

It might be wise to pay closer attention than we’ve been paying. The first step should be to bring additional gun control back into the policy mix.

[boomgoon]

Dude, you are suicidal.

[Titus Bass]

Dude, you are suicidal.


Yep..............

[jc]

Dude, you are suicidal.

??? this is the only thing I typed

"here's the opinion piece in it's entirety..."

[Bocephus]

Dude, you are suicidal.

Don't encourage him to waste good ammo....

[houfinchaser]

What a racist fool. Using tragedies to push his political agenda is disgusting. Its disgraceful that any newspaper would publish the garbage. Trying to compare psychos with a political party or ideas in order to pass gun laws just shows how desperate this racist liberal is to disarms those with a different view point.

[RiverRat1962]

Notice the leftist conveniently left out the Muslim who killed a US soldier in Arkansas back in June? This is a perfect example of biased writing.


Click on the link, Scroll down and take a look at a lot of the comments posted in regards to this column... Two of the posters seem to feel a need to bring up Rush Limbaugh ("Rush Lamebrain, "Rush, the drug addict, Limpberger," but many talk about "hate speech" and "hate radio" and propose silencing those whos opinions they don't like.

And the NYT happily prints those comments, With no commentary on their own.
In reading the comments, So far I haven't seen a single one in opposition to the column, Though one poster DID agree that the 2nd Amendment was important to protect us against the "North Korean Hoards" so anyone wanting to own a gun should have to be in a "militia," And if they refused, Would become a criminal. Sounds remarkably like the comment attributed to H. Himmler regarding gun ownership in the Third Reich... "If you want to own a gun, join the 'SA'"

If the column wasn't bad enough, The comments over there are even worse. Although they explain why the NYT runs the stories and editorials they do... They know their audience. A rather frightening collection of authoritarian left wing moonbats, Some of whom feel they would be doing us and the world a favor if we conservatives were just shut up and put away somewhere.

[owens33]

nazi's are left wing nuts. not right wing nuts.

[LRM]

Look Ma no guns

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-il-sterlingfightcorr,0,7906023.story

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=298&articleid=20090617_298_0_Ateaeh113127

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g_tZGnycBt2OFC1yBRi421uBcYTQD98RS5F02

[boomgoon]

Look Ma no guns

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-il-sterlingfightcorr,0,7906023.story

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=298&articleid=20090617_298_0_Ateaeh113127

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g_tZGnycBt2OFC1yBRi421uBcYTQD98RS5F02

When they outlaw rocks, then only outlaws will have rocks...... :D

[slopoke]

nazi's are left wing nuts. not right wing nuts.

Notice the leftist conveniently left out the Muslim who killed a US soldier in Arkansas back in June? This is a perfect example of biased writing.


Click on the link, Scroll down and take a look at a lot of the comments posted in regards to this column... Two of the posters seem to feel a need to bring up Rush Limbaugh ("Rush Lamebrain, "Rush, the drug addict, Limpberger," but many talk about "hate speech" and "hate radio" and propose silencing those whos opinions they don't like.

And the NYT happily prints those comments, With no commentary on their own.
In reading the comments, So far I haven't seen a single one in opposition to the column, Though one poster DID agree that the 2nd Amendment was important to protect us against the "North Korean Hoards" so anyone wanting to own a gun should have to be in a "militia," And if they refused, Would become a criminal. Sounds remarkably like the comment attributed to H. Himmler regarding gun ownership in the Third Reich... "If you want to own a gun, join the 'SA'"

If the column wasn't bad enough, The comments over there are even worse. Although they explain why the NYT runs the stories and editorials they do... They know their audience. A rather frightening collection of authoritarian left wing moonbats, Some of whom feel they would be doing us and the world a favor if we conservatives were just shut up and put away somewhere.

Yes, they were leftists. It's funny how nobody notices the 'socialist' in 'national socialist' anymore. Goebbels and that crew would be proud of the job that these NYT folks are doing with propaganda.

[jc]

manwitaplan... dude, you don't need a licence to carry a gun, you need a diaper and a football helmet... I HAD a closet full of guns before I recently lost them all in a bizarre boating accident...

[jc]

nice move on the delete Manwitaplan... hahaha

[catchysumfishy]

nice move on the delete Manwitaplan... hahaha



Are you still up pickin at people? :biggrin:

[Titus Bass]

Well jc.....now we know what his plan is..........:confused:

[boomgoon]

nice move on the delete Manwitaplan... hahaha

The quote button is your friend. lol